143. Visited by the Rainbow Serpent
With Heidi Mippy, Di & Ian Haggerty, Jane Slattery & Nakala Maddock
This week’s episode is something extraordinary. Last week featured a conversation with Di and Ian Haggerty, in a shearing shed filled by 170 people from right around the country. You might remember it ended with Di’s passing reference to some amazing insight that Noongar woman Heidi Mippy had shared. Heidi is an author, senior staffer with the Noongar Land Enterprise Group, and so much more. She had been personally invited to this event by Di, in anticipation of further growing the relationships they’d been treasuring with First Nations people. But no one could have anticipated what ended up unfolding while this event was taking place.
An aerial image of Wagyl (SmartSoil Media).
“So in the morning, Di and I went out to get the grasses. And I saw some beautiful lakes at the back of the grasses and said, Di, do there happen to be any water sources - but I’m thinking more like a waterhole nearby the house? And she said, yeah, there’s actually a gnamma hole right behind where you’re sleeping. And I can see this Wagyl again. So I explain to her - and hoping she doesn’t kick me out and think I’m like, not the kind of person they wanted here today - what happened before I went to sleep.”
Ian and I were told of what Di already knew at that point, after the conversation between Di, Ian and I ended. Later in the day, after a farm tour, there was to be a panel conversation. It was to bring Di and Ian together with co-founder of natural intelligence farming, Jane Slattery, and long-time collaborator and organiser of this event, the CEO of Nutrisoil Nakala Maddock.
Given the amazing story unfolding in the background, and that we’d ended the morning session talking about the richness on offer for landholders in inviting First Nations people in, I suggested acting on that here and now. Heidi was subsequently invited to join that afternoon dialogue, and thankfully accepted the invitation. This is part of what ensued.
This conversation was recorded live at the Haggerty farm in the WA wheatbelt on 24 October 2022.
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SPEAKERS
Anthony James (host), Heidi Mippy, Di Haggerty, Ian Haggerty, Jane Slattery, Nakala Maddock
Anthony 00:00
G'day, Anthony James here for The RegenNarration. This week's episode is something quite extraordinary. Last week featured a conversation with Di and Ian Haggerty in a shearing shed filled by 170 people from right around the country. You might remember it ended with Di's passing reference to some amazing insight that Noongar woman Heidi Mippy had shared. Heidi is an author, senior staffer with the Noongar Land Enterprise Group, and so much more. She'd been personally invited to this event by Di in anticipation of further growing the relationships they'd been treasuring with First Nations people. But no one could have anticipated what ended up unfolding while this event was taking place. Ian and I were told of what Di already knew at that point, after the conversation between Di, Ian and I ended. Later in the day, after a farm tour, there was to be a panel conversation. It was to bring Di and Ian together with co-founder of natural intelligence farming, Jane Slattery, and longtime collaborator and organizer of this event, the CEO of Nutrisoil, Nakala Maddock. Given the amazing story unfolding in the background, and that we'd ended the morning session talking about the richness on offer for landholders in inviting First Nations people in, I suggested acting on that here and now. Heidi was subsequently invited to join that afternoon dialogue and thankfully accepted the invitation. This is part of what ensued.
Anthony 01:35
If you've come here first, you might like to tune into last week's episode with Di and Ian, on tapping into natural intelligence. You'll find a few links in the show notes there too, along with some photos and a transcript on the episode web page. I'll put a few more photos on this week's episode web page too. Now with so much going on, the conversation actually started before the recording had been set up. But we got that going just as I put my first question to Nakala, on how her journey of tapping into natural intelligence began.
Nakala 02:07
She said you've got to talk to Jane. And so I had my first session with Jane. And I think at that point, there was just so much unsettledness going on around me and I had this pain in my chest. And it had been there for weeks. And I was I didn't, I had no way of moving it. And I didn't really understand it. And I had my first session with Jane, and she was able to take that pain away. So yeah, I think with Nutrisoil, we all were unsettled. And Jane worked with the team. First, while she was working with the team. She was also working with the worms, and keeping, keeping the impact of the unsettledness of the worms. And we did a range of things with that. But that's really what Jane worked with our whole family. And we all we moved through a really big succession. And I don't think we would have come out of it as a family and with the worms in such abundance as what we did working with Jane. Yep. So she was really integral in that.
Anthony 03:20
Yeah, it's another case where I hear words like she took the pain away. And like, hang on a minute, what did you just say? Like there's a big story behind the short story, but thanks for keeping it brief. It's enough for now, thanks Nakala. Jane, what about you? We're tracing things back now. You told me a pretty powerful story just out in the paddock didn't you?
Jane 03:40
I knew I shouldn't have said anything. Really I need to tell that story, do I?
Anthony 03:47
As you wish.
Jane 03:49
AJ asked me like, how, well, I guess where it really started with for me like as most / some people would know, we have done a podcast together. And because there's been so much talk about First Nation, and country and everything here today. I hadn't really thought of it. But I actually gave birth to two indigenous children. And I've tried to sort of probably understand why I'm who I am and why I pick up on what I pick up on. But from a young age, pre 14 15 16 definitely I needed to move out of home. It was something that we talked about once. And I moved in with an indigenous family, Aboriginal mother and white father. And I just felt such a strong connection to the family. And it's like they welcomed me in so it was a little bit like, Ian what you were talking about. And for some reason I just felt at home with this family. And there's been a real journey with that family. I probably see things In that, there's a lot of a lot of unsettledness. But then there's also a lot of separation. And there's a lot of, as I would say, a lot of Lost Souls. And a lot of my work I feel is working with souls, and really helping people to actually get back in touch with who they really are, and realize that they really matter. And the whole, I don't, it's hard to put into words, because it's actually feeling.
Anthony 05:33
They're good words already.
Jane 05:34
I'll end up doing what Ian did. People feel, I don't know, even in this room, there's people that have come up, and they feel like lost or something. And there's fear. Each individual needs to deal with that to actually work with, whether we call it country or we work - as I said out in the paddock. You know, we're dealing with a whole planet here. And we're dealing with a whole nation. And the whole nation needs to actually come together and realize that it's more than everybody in this room. And we are dealing with energy, we're dealing with how we can get that to flow, which means flow through us. And I'll sort of usually keep it simple and say, it's about getting out of your head and getting into your heart. But to say that, that's not just like, Get out of head, get into heart, you've actually got to feel it. If you don't feel it, then nothing's going to happen. And you can't make something happen. If you can't feel it, then nothing's going to change. The reason it works for Di and Ian is because they feel it, they love what they do, they can't explain it. And all my NIFs [natural intelligence farmers] that I work with, they feel it, they feel it in their heart first, and then it just unfolds from there. And it actually doesn't need to be complicated, it can be really simple. That's probably all I really need to say, because I don't know how else to put it into words.
Anthony 06:53
So Heidi, for you, I'm curious in your journey, where you trace it back - your ability, you know, whatever the terminology you use for you, but the ability to be tapping into the sorts of things we've been talking about.
Heidi 07:10
Very, very hard question to answer, because I can't pinpoint. I feel like the missing the bit that people struggle with when we try to define our connection to country is that people see that as a physical connection. And trying to explain it, as you know, we identify our identity is very much about which country we're born to. But it's the spirit of country, it's our totems, it's in the plants and animals, it's our connection and ability to read and respond. Country. So when I use the word country, I'm talking about everybody, and everything in that system. So what makes my heart sing, when I get to be around people, like and Di inviting me out, to be able to come out and I've been trying to get out here for a while, is that it's a little bit less of a difficult conversation to have, when somebody else has been able to experience connection to country a little bit closer to how how we describe culturally. So I think for me, it's a it's a way of being and for my kids and for my family. You know, we don't have to speak about what we see and hear. But if we're cruising along in the car, or we walk in country, but we know what each other is seeing and feeling. And then if we speak about it, you know, that can be validated verbally, but we don't need to speak to get the validation. Like we don't need science to validate why this is working or why other things you know, it's there. And it's been there for a long time. So anyway, I like these kinds of experiences, because it's safe for me to be able to speak a little bit more freely about holistically what culture is and what connection to country really is for Noongar or First Nations people.
Anthony 09:01
Thanks so much. Any hands? Anyone want to chime in at this point? We can go on with it if you prefer to sit and listen a bit longer - but feel free if you want to chime in, and Justin will keep an eye on it. Alright, let's keep going. So, Heidi, can I follow on with you from there? Do you mind? I'm really interested then, in the experience of today, what it's been like, and maybe versus what you expected, and not necessarily confined to what's happened in this room or you know, with the talking - as you would answer that?
Heidi 09:34
Okay, so we spoke a few days ago. Heidi, are you free to come out on Monday? And I said, Oh yeah, I'm gonna change my diary. I'm out all week visiting other farms by the way. I have a family as well. So don't like to be away from home for too long at a time. But I really prioritized this because I've been feeling like I was meant to be here. And rock up yesterday. I'll just talk to you about my experience. I went to sleep last night - didn't know where I was sleeping. Took me a while to get to sleep. Before I fell asleep. I, I saw - and when I say see I talk about it in my, in my mind's eye, Wagyl, which is the Rainbow Serpent - very brightly colored by the way, looked very healthy, beautiful. Probably the first time I've seen it looking like that. And I saw it come up next to me at this side of the bed and came down really close. And I could feel it move across my body. I thought ooh, okay, that's interesting. It's it's like it's trying to get my attention for something. This is one part of Noongar Country I don't have any blood connection to - my children are from here. So their father and all of their, but not me. So I first think Oh, am I meant to be here today? Na, it's not that kind of feeling. Anyway, so in the morning, Di and I went out to get the grasses. And I saw some beautiful lakes at the back of the grasses and said, Di, do there happen to be any water sources? But I'm thinking more like a waterhole nearby the house. And she said, yeah, there's actually a gnamma hole right behind where you're sleeping. And I can see this Wagyl again. So I explain to her - and hoping she doesn't kick me out and think I'm like, not the kind of person they wanted here today - what happened before I went to sleep, and then asked her permission to go and walk that country. Because I saw something means that you know I have to do something with that information. That's my cultural responsibility, in fact. So I did get to be able to walk through there and didn't even go anywhere near the gnamma hole, I went somewhere else nearby, I could just - it's that knowing this is where I needed to go. Anyway, I'm trying to make this story short for you, I ended up standing on this big rock, and the rock is shaped exactly the head of the Wagyl, and I was standing on its head and looking towards the lakes. And a little bit more of a discovery in that space. So for me, like I've loved everything about this, but I hear so much about the magic - and I use the word magic because it's an easy word, I think for people to understand context, the magic of, of the operations here on this property. And I have no doubt that, that the spirit of country and the old people and the stories that have lived here forever, are important to the current story, or, you know, I think they're now entwined and they're, and they belong together. And I feel like it was all meant to be from that regard. And there's a little bit more work that we'll do together, maybe even people in this room as well before, before I leave here anyway. And I'm hoping that, that that's something that will last into the future as well. So that experience for me was was wonderful because it it tells me other things. And it also connects me in ways here that that everyone here is talking about the intuitive connection without being able to necessarily explain but not only did I see this, in my mind, we have physical evidence of that Wagyl on country that's been there for a long time. That also I think helps people who maybe think Heidi hasn't taken a medication or needs to speak to someone - who doesn't believe - it can maybe connect that and go wow, there's a little bit of truth to this.
Anthony 13:28
That is incredibly powerful. Thanks for bringing - I heard the story at lunchtime. And thanks for bringing it to us here, so openly, Heidi. I have to bounce straight along to you guys Di and Ian up the end there as to your experience to hearing that, having invited Heidi out, and yeah, what you've made of it?
Di 13:47
Yeah, phenomenal AJ, extremely grateful that Heidi was able to come and it's what's happened all the way along the right things, the right people come at the right time, the fact that I rang Heidi, and she was even - she's a very busy lady - she answered the phone. She was in the car at the time, she had time to talk and made time to come up and spend with us. And yeah, just the experience that she had and for her to share that with us. I mean, it's been incredibly powerful. And yeah, I'm just grateful for that. And this is where we're wanting to go forward have greater understanding. And yeah, I'm really looking forward to the next - well it'll be less than 24 hours. But the next little while while we go and discuss this further and look further and explore as a group, whoever is still here. Yeah, amazing.
Anthony 14:41
Yeah, it does strike me that we were talking sort of - not in the abstract, but you know, in principle - about making these invitations, not knowing where it leads, but you know, sort of putting it out there - and to think that this happens and already fills you with those sorts of feelings. And Ian, when Heidi talked about cultural responsibility, you've got this information, you have to follow it, it reminded me of the Major General, right, that you referred to. And now you know this!
Ian 15:11
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I was quite blown away when I heard about this at lunchtime. And you do, you just can't ignore that, you know, you're, you're not doing you're, you're responsible thing to be doing, you know, like, the Major General mentored us and pushed us in that direction. And, and then from the elders in the Kimberley, and all the things that open up to you, if you don't sit back and take, take heed of that. You're missing out on a lot.
Anthony 15:41
Anyone want to chime in? Yeah. Thanks.
Audience question 1 15:44
Heidi, could you - you told me this morning, what the serpent represents - you able to talk about that or not?
Heidi 15:52
The serpent is like a creator, the water sources are created through them - I'm one of these hands people - through the movement of the Wagyl or Rainbow Serpent. So you can see where it's traveled through where the where the wetlands and the water holes and the rivers are. So we have to respect all the time water, and the Wagyl everywhere we travel, for the reason that it is the giver of life and very sacred to us. Mind you, I thought I should mention not trying to claim any sites here on the property - not scaring anyone and saying this is - it's a beautiful experience - because some people think that - it's very, you know, it's a beautiful site and story. But it's also, you know, this is where it lives and being quite comfortable here. There's nothing unrest about where it is. And I'm not feeling anything inappropriate. It's just about like, we were talking about before about energy flowing, sometimes you just need to do things a little bit differently in the space to allow energy to flow. And that that's the only involvement I'm seeing myself with in terms of that site.
Anthony 16:59
So much of what you guys talk about - when we talk about even carbon, for example, that actually there's so much that you talk about, above that - superior to that in your interests. You've talked a bit about it today. But water I hear is so fundamental. And it almost sounds stupid to say it - I mean it's the source of all life, of course it should be. But it's it's still often missed, hey?
Di 17:21
Absolutely. I mean, you think of those critical factors with water and air, without either of those, we don't last anywhere that you know, not very long at all really do we? So if we haven't got the quality in those two factors. They're critical throughout
Anthony 17:34
And a lot of your testing, then that you're paying attention to is water absorption and what Walter Jehne - with talk of in the Kimberley of there being construction of more old school dams - in an already desertifying landscape where we've seen the disasters of damming - and he uses the metaphor, we should have 1000 dams across the country, but in our soils. Anyone else? Yeah.
Audience question 2 17:55
This is probably a question for Di and Jane maybe but when you were first starting out, before you got really good at feeling from your heart and getting the answers to should we do this? Or should we do that? You know, what's, what's the best thing for our land now? Did you use anything to help you get the answers like, you know, a dowsing stick or pendulum or a ...?
Jane 18:19
Yeah, I, I learned to muscle test. And that was part of my transition going from, I guess working conventionally to open up opening up to that there is more. And so we did very much work - Di works with a pendulum. And yeah, and so all of our, all of our discussions, were basically asking questions, but we also understood that you can dowse from your head. And so we had to go through a lot of work in our self, to actually know that what we were picking up on, was actually coming from our heart so it's, it's not just the dowsing. The dowsing is a means of asking questions to understand more, you still need to feel it first. So there is the intuition, whether it's a gut feeling, or we call it Pop ins. So something just pops in, and then we'll ask questions about it. You know, and what comes to me is not necessarily the same as what comes to Di or whoever I'm working with. But then together, we engage in a discussion. And we start to understand, I don't know, we understand things that are just mind blowing. But they're all they can all be explained logically. And each and every person will understand things in a different way. Because we're all, like the language that we all have is you know, the words that we all use, how we've grown up, is going to determine the way that we need to process the information. Some people really need to - they need to see what it is that they're trying to understand. Whether that be in mind's eye or whether that's they need to see some sort of result to believe - we, as Di explained earlier, today, everything we did was basically blind faith, we had no idea other than I worked with the animals, I would transition from a system that was a free choice system where the animals were basically communicating their needs to me. And I - all they kept saying to me is we need energy, we need energy, and I'm going what is energy? You know, I didn't understand then. And I was just guided to get away from the products because they're artificial, and find a way of tapping into the energy, which we basically call natural intelligence farming now, because it is about getting the flow of energy working through us first, and then that will have a profound effect on the country that we're the caretakers of.
Anthony 20:46
Did you want to go on with anything?
Di 20:48
I think she hit the nail on the head.
Anthony 20:51
Nakala, Have you found yourself practicing with these sorts of methods through your time together?
Nakala 20:57
Yeah, definitely AJ. How do I use it? I do energy testing. And I asked the questions, but I'm also pretty aware that if I haven't worked on myself, then those questions - I can't really access. I can't work in that way. So yeah, how do I work on myself? That's a really good question.
Anthony 21:17
Thanks for asking that good question fellow podcaster.
Nakala 21:19
I think it's different for everybody. For me I know if I'm thinking negatively about anything I cannot practice natural intelligence farming. So I go, Okay, what? Why am I thinking negatively? I mean, I do a lot of meditation. But not everyone does meditation, some people just need to walk out in into nature and and feel that connection. Deep breathing, I do a lot of deep breathing, as I kind of ask myself the questions.
Anthony 21:54
Science is coming in on the back of that too heavily now. The value ... again, who knew? The source of life.
Nakala 22:00
Yeah, I know. So simple. And I think just the recognition that your heart is the first thing that your brain hears, and science is coming in on that too. So we used to think it was the gut first, but it's actually the heart. And our subconscious mind actually works with that. But we, we don't know that. But that's your, your instinct. And if you're feeling if you're feeling in your heart, and you're making decisions from your heart, your heart actually attracts things to you. So that's how this abundance comes. And I just, if you have that, a heart, heart emotion, then abundance comes to you because it's a magnetism to you.
Anthony 22:43
Ian, as the bloke driving the big rigs out there, who was like, get out of the way. No, I'm not moving this rig to another paddock right now, like from that bloke - and as the as the other bloke up here, right now, the only one - how - do you just defer to it now? Or do you participate? Do you have your ways of tapping?
Ian 23:06
Oh listen, I participate, I'd have to be a fool not to. They've proven me wrong so many times when I go against it, and you've just got to really move along with it. And by doing that, it takes a real lot of a lot of pressure and stress off the operation. Because we can all talk about this. And we say how does this revert to the operation, it does big time. And for simple things like sometimes when you will have a major breakdown because you've been Go Go going. And in the past, you'd get all stressed and you'd go even harder to make up for that breakdown. Now we just accept it. And sometimes you look back and think well, actually, that wasn't too bad, we actually needed to give that a break - you know, same thing happened cutting hay this year. So learning to go with that it takes that stress off takes all that pressure off. And it just makes it all flow and work. And it never has ceased to amaze me the opportunities when you start to get it right that it opens up. Just amazing. And this is just not with the soil and the land and the animals - it's the whole business. The whole of life - everyone you're dealing with, and you bring everyone along in this journey with you. You know, we're all in businesses. We all have finances, we all have bankers, we all have accountants, if you can bring them along in this journey with us. It's a it's a really successful way to go about and the opportunities are amazing.
Anthony 24:39
Before we go to the next question, Heidi, I'd love to bring you in here as well. Are there particular practices that you evoke?
Heidi 24:45
I don't meditate as such but I ground myself on country any opportunity I can - so whether that is like in an office and I walk to a park sit on the ground under a tree - salt water is a kind of My thing I live on the coast, so I do a lot of saltwater healing. As long as I sit and be present and not worry about the rest of the world for a while, then I'm good to go. It's like, you know, that's a two week holiday for me. So I do that as often as I can.
Anthony 25:13
Thanks. Anyone else?
Audience question 3 25:15
Ian, I wonder if you could maybe share your thoughts about what you think it would take to increase the rate at which mainstream agriculture would take up the ideas of regenerative agriculture?
Ian 25:29
I think actually what we're doing. I know, it's leading by example. And I think as things go along, and as the seasonal conditions wane, and good ones, and bad ones, and I think people are really starting to question things a little bit now. And if the examples in all forms of agriculture can be out there, and people can start to look at it, then follow their own story, like, This is Our Story, how we do, everyone else's story will be a little bit different. And I think that will actually prove it. And what I'm also saying is, you know, this is, up until now, we've just dealt with a fair bit of the conventional of marketing and what we're doing with things. But now there's a whole other - heaps of streams, the whole world is talking about this, and Australia is a little bit behind the door, we're a bit slow, and you know, all the markets, but the rest of the world is screaming out for it. And that's going to really open up a lot of opportunities. And when those opportunities open up, every one will start to sit back and say, Well, you know, we have to follow these things, you know, it's going to work,
Di 26:35
just wanting to add to that when you're talking about those opportunities that are opening up. It's not necessarily business as usual, as it has been done that we're familiar with - that business as usual is changing. And that's what's critical. And that's why it is members of community coming from all different aspects to enable those changes in business as usual. Because I think AJ said earlier on that, you know, farmers hadn't - Well, for a long time, they haven't really been top of the totem pole at all, even though we're providing, you know, food, which is a critical life staple, without that the air and the water were pretty bad. But yeah, so those whole recognition and respect, love and gratitude towards these basic processes, which are critical to all mankind and our planet. There's a little bit of a shake up going on. And I'm really looking forward to seeing what's unfolding, because the stuff that's coming forward now is really giving a lot of hope. And yes, and real intensity of change.
Anthony 27:35
Di, through the journey, you've had a lot of exposure to money. I know you've turned down millions, for example, along the way. Because it's come with, let's just call it the old mindset. So there is a journey for finance people and the people we know in that space as much as other spaces to go on as well. To be looking at new models, with the sorts of characteristics you're talking about. And Justin just mentioned to me, too, he's hearing a lot about - without hearing the word - a lot about humility, and a humble mindset. That's, that's part of the big shift from the story Damon talked about, isn't it? Where we're the conquerors, and it's our dominion. Let's make that more explicit. Talk to how you how you see that in people working in business, let's say - where you have seen it, where you do have relationships that are working - perhaps that's an interesting way to go at it. Where the humility is present in the way business has been done anew.
Di 28:37
Yeah, well certainly that presence of humility has been changing those business relationships, we've certainly had plenty of experience, where there hasn't been much humility, and definitely not much love and respect going on. But yes, certainly the relationships we're building now are based around that and working more as a partnership, more of a collaboration, not just, you know, this is the chain of command or as you go up the food chain further, that the one at the top keeps getting more and more, you know ...
Anthony 29:08
And farmers are at the bottom?
Di 29:09
Yeah usually the farmers are the filter feeders at the bottom. Yeah, that recognition now that that old model has, has has failed effectively. And it is more of a collaborative approach going forward. And I think, yeah, bring it on.
Anthony 29:24
Yeah, well said. Anyone else? Yeah.
Audience question 4 29:28
If I understand you correctly, Ian, earlier, did you mention a 25 farmer carbon project that was looking at launching to the ASX?
Ian 29:38
No, it's not a Carbon Project. It's actually valuing ecological services, natural capital and ecological services. So it's been a project that's been in the makings now for five years. And yeah we're part of it as a pilot, and it's just about at fruition. So basically, what they've done is they've taken 25 farms around Australia, probably leading farms around Australia. And they backdated and valued their ecological work and the stewardship that they have done that to about 18 odd years. And then they've actually put a price on on that value. They've done a lot of work, it's just a huge amount of metrics of how they add all this up. And that amount of work has actually resulted in about I think it's about $980 million worth of value of ecological work of those 25 Farms backdated. So what they actually do, because around the world, there's trillions of dollars accumulating to actually pay for ecological work - ESG is to to actually value that. But even though all that money's been there, there's been no vehicle to actually get it to where it needs to be used properly, which is basically in the farmers hands or the stewards that are actually going to go do more good ecological work. So that was the idea that's been put together by some really good people. And yeah, it's at its at the pointy end. So yeah, it's been converted into options or shares. And early in the new year, it will be floated on a couple of the stock exchanges around the world, more than likely, maybe something in Asia or Europe to start off with, just depending on how things go, because Australia is a little bit backward in our uptake of things. But yeah, very exciting - so they're one of the things, and this will be the first of many, this will be absolutely the first of many, and I think these things are going to be a really a game changer. So on top of that again, then you can go and do your carbon projects on top of it again. So never before have these things been actually brought to the market. And this is just where it's all going to start. Because as I said before, if we think we're gonna rely on the price we get for our produce, to pay for all the ecological services that we need to do to improve this planet, it's going to price our produce out of existence, and the everyday person is not going to be able to afford it. But by doing these things, when we put a value on that, sure, we can get some really good premiums for what we do. But it doesn't have to be through the roof and price it out of existence so it's a really win win. So it's, I think it's a case of watch his space. But it's something that now after all these years, we've been looking for things and we've tried other things. And as AJ said, we've had lots of offers over the years and rejected lots if it's not right, you know, and this is probably where we're at with the natural intelligence that we feel if something's not right, we just just walk away - and not getting pushed into anything is actually getting the right example. So that's why as your question was before, how do you think this is going to expand out? I think it's through things like these guys people start to see real advantages.
Anthony 33:19
That was Noongar, woman, author, and senior staffer with the Noongar land enterprise group, Heidi Mippy, alongside regenerative farming pioneers Di and Ian Haggerty, their co founder in Natural Intelligence Farming, Jane Slattery and their longtime collaborator, the CEO of NutriSoil Nakala Maddock. For more on all these folk see the links in our program details. And a reminder, you'll find more photos and a transcript on the episode web page too. And just before I go, also on the website, you'll see a new event series has just been announced. Zach Bush will be touring the east coast of Australia between the second and eighth of December, I have the honor of hosting the series accompanied by some other wonderful locals. It's all put on by and for the brilliant team at the recently launched farmers footprint Australia. I hope to see some of you there.And that's with Thanks as always, to you the generous supporters who've helped make this episode possible. If you're enjoying what you hear, please consider joining this community of supporting listeners so I can keep the podcast going. Just head to the website via the show notes RegenNarration.com/support. Thanks again. The music you're hearing is Stones and Bones by Owls of the Swamp. My name is Anthony James. Thanks again for listening.
Find more:
Tune in to last week’s episode 142: ‘Dianne & Ian Haggerty on Tapping into Natural Intelligence, with live audience on the farm’ (you’ll find more links, some photos and transcript on the episode web page too).
And Heidi speaking with Di, Damon Gameau and Anthony at the premiere screening of Regenerating Australia at Leederville for ep 122.
Music:
Stones & Bones, by Owls of the Swamp.